Discussion:
[MlMt] Mail archiving best practice
Matthew Cawood
2015-01-19 06:29:39 UTC
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Any advice on best practice for archiving emails from MailMate?

My preference is to archive in DevonThink, which holds my email archives
from the mid 2000s. But it seems that MailMate and Devonthink don't hook
up, so I'm looking for other robust options that are Spotlight
searchable. Any advice appreciated.
Olivier Bedouelle
2015-01-19 06:45:28 UTC
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I'm use [eagleFiler](http://c-command.com/eaglefiler/) or/and
[FoxTrot](http://www.ctmdev.com/foxtrot/professional_search/index.html)

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[vertdeco.fr](http://www.vertdeco.fr)
Post by Matthew Cawood
Any advice on best practice for archiving emails from MailMate?
My preference is to archive in DevonThink, which holds my email
archives from the mid 2000s. But it seems that MailMate and Devonthink
don't hook up, so I'm looking for other robust options that are
Spotlight searchable. Any advice appreciated.
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Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-01-19 20:16:43 UTC
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Post by Olivier Bedouelle
I'm use [eagleFiler](http://c-command.com/eaglefiler/) or/and
[FoxTrot](http://www.ctmdev.com/foxtrot/professional_search/index.html)
Inspired by the addition of DEVONThink, I also added an EagleFiler
bundle. If you are running the 64 bit beta of MailMate then it should
pop up automatically in the list of bundles in the Bundles preferences
pane (it can take a few hours before it happens).
--
Benny
Muster Hans
2015-02-01 12:23:54 UTC
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Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Olivier Bedouelle
I'm use [eagleFiler](http://c-command.com/eaglefiler/) or/and
[FoxTrot](http://www.ctmdev.com/foxtrot/professional_search/index.html)
Inspired by the addition of DEVONThink, I also added an EagleFiler
bundle. If you are running the 64 bit beta of MailMate then it should
pop up automatically in the list of bundles in the Bundles preferences
pane (it can take a few hours before it happens).
Thank you. I have both DEVONThink and EagleFinder. I've just had 2
weeks with a non-functioning
internet connection, and that has concentrated my mind on keeping stuff
local as well as online.
Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-01-19 09:08:02 UTC
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Post by Matthew Cawood
Any advice on best practice for archiving emails from MailMate?
My preference is to archive in DevonThink, which holds my email
archives from the mid 2000s. But it seems that MailMate and Devonthink
don't hook up,
I plan to add that too and I did start creating it. If I remember
correctly I delayed it, because DevonThink needs the original email
instead of the summary-oriented style used for the various GTD bundles.
(I'll check up on the state of this bundle.)
Post by Matthew Cawood
so I'm looking for other robust options that are Spotlight searchable.
What is the file extension used on disk for emails saved in DevonThink?
Post by Matthew Cawood
Any advice appreciated.
I'll leave that to others and focus on the above :-)
--
Benny
Matthew Cawood
2015-01-19 09:11:05 UTC
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Benny - email files imported to Devonthink appear as *.eml files on
disk. If you plan to add DevonThink linkages, I don't need any more
advice - I'll wait for that. :)
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Matthew Cawood
Any advice on best practice for archiving emails from MailMate?
My preference is to archive in DevonThink, which holds my email
archives from the mid 2000s. But it seems that MailMate and
Devonthink don't hook up,
I plan to add that too and I did start creating it. If I remember
correctly I delayed it, because DevonThink needs the original email
instead of the summary-oriented style used for the various GTD
bundles. (I'll check up on the state of this bundle.)
Post by Matthew Cawood
so I'm looking for other robust options that are Spotlight
searchable.
What is the file extension used on disk for emails saved in
DevonThink?
Post by Matthew Cawood
Any advice appreciated.
I'll leave that to others and focus on the above :-)
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Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-01-19 09:16:06 UTC
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Post by Matthew Cawood
Benny - email files imported to Devonthink appear as *.eml files on
disk.
That is the same as MailMate. Since I haven't implemented a Spotlight
importer I might be wrong, but having DevonThink installed could also
have the effect of adding MailMate `.eml` files to the Spotlight index.
--
Benny
Matthew Cawood
2015-01-19 10:00:46 UTC
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Devontink is also capable of indexing files in folders outside its
database. I might look at that as a workaround to expose MailMate data
to Spotlight.
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Matthew Cawood
Benny - email files imported to Devonthink appear as *.eml files on
disk.
That is the same as MailMate. Since I haven't implemented a Spotlight
importer I might be wrong, but having DevonThink installed could also
have the effect of adding MailMate `.eml` files to the Spotlight index.
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Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-01-19 15:56:29 UTC
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Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Matthew Cawood
My preference is to archive in DevonThink, which holds my email
archives from the mid 2000s. But it seems that MailMate and
Devonthink don't hook up,
I plan to add that too and I did start creating it. If I remember
correctly I delayed it, because DevonThink needs the original email
instead of the summary-oriented style used for the various GTD
bundles. (I'll check up on the state of this bundle.)
Within a few hours you should see a “DEVONThink Pro” bundle in the
Bundles preferences pane (MailMate checks for bundle updates every few
hours). If you enable that then you should have a command for adding an
email to DEVONThink. It uses the subject of the email for the file name
and it also adds a URL to the record in order to easily go back to the
email from DEVONThink (⌃⌘O). It does not allow configuring where to
store it in DEVONThink though -- didn't quite figure out how that is
done.

Note that this command can also be used in rules to automatically
archive an email and perhaps delete it from MailMate. This can even
happen automatically when an email reaches a certain age.
--
Benny
Matthew Cawood
2015-01-19 22:25:07 UTC
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Well that was quick! Works well, except that for some reason I can't
open mail attachments in Devonthink (open the .eml file in Apple Mail,
and the attachment is there, though).

As for configuring where the exported email goes in Devonthink:
Devonthink pops up an HUD that allows you to select the location, or
create a new folder.

I wonder if the coding you've done will now give Devonthink the hooks to
import whole mailboxes from MailMate, as it can with Apple Mail?

Thanks for this. Wonderful service!
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Matthew Cawood
My preference is to archive in DevonThink, which holds my email
archives from the mid 2000s. But it seems that MailMate and
Devonthink don't hook up,
I plan to add that too and I did start creating it. If I remember
correctly I delayed it, because DevonThink needs the original email
instead of the summary-oriented style used for the various GTD
bundles. (I'll check up on the state of this bundle.)
Within a few hours you should see a “DEVONThink Pro” bundle in the
Bundles preferences pane (MailMate checks for bundle updates every few
hours). If you enable that then you should have a command for adding
an email to DEVONThink. It uses the subject of the email for the file
name and it also adds a URL to the record in order to easily go back
to the email from DEVONThink (⌃⌘O). It does not allow configuring
where to store it in DEVONThink though -- didn't quite figure out how
that is done.
Note that this command can also be used in rules to automatically
archive an email and perhaps delete it from MailMate. This can even
happen automatically when an email reaches a certain age.
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Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-01-20 08:29:36 UTC
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Post by Matthew Cawood
Well that was quick! Works well, except that for some reason I can't
open mail attachments in Devonthink
That should be unrelated to MailMate I believe.
Post by Matthew Cawood
(open the .eml file in Apple Mail, and the attachment is there,
though).
You should also be able to open it in MailMate. MailMate provides a URL
which should default to MailMate if you have selected MailMate as the
default in the **MailMate** General preferences pane.
Post by Matthew Cawood
Devonthink pops up an HUD that allows you to select the location, or
create a new folder.
You don't mean when using the MailMate command? Because I didn't see
this. It just went into a global Inbox.
Post by Matthew Cawood
I wonder if the coding you've done will now give Devonthink the hooks
to import whole mailboxes from MailMate, as it can with Apple Mail?
I'm pretty sure it doesn't, but you can select multiple messages in
MailMate before calling the command. But I guess, in this case you need
MailMate to create a single `.mbox` file? (Hmm, maybe I should consider
an `.mbox` input type for commands in MailMate. That could be used for
an export command as well.)
--
Benny
Matthew Cawood
2015-01-20 10:07:07 UTC
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Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Matthew Cawood
Well that was quick! Works well, except that for some reason I can't
open mail attachments in Devonthink
That should be unrelated to MailMate I believe.
It's OK providing the attachements really *are* in Devonthink - I don't
want to delete emails I've archived to DT and find the attachments are
gone.
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Matthew Cawood
(open the .eml file in Apple Mail, and the attachment is there,
though).
You should also be able to open it in MailMate. MailMate provides a
URL which should default to MailMate if you have selected MailMate as
the default in the **MailMate** General preferences pane.
If I use the Devonthink Info panel and click on the URL, that's the
case. If I use Devonthink's "open in default application" command, I get
Apple Mail, even though MailMate is configured as my default email
program.
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Matthew Cawood
Devonthink pops up an HUD that allows you to select the location, or
create a new folder.
You don't mean when using the MailMate command? Because I didn't see
this. It just went into a global Inbox.
No, it definitely pops up the HUD whenever I use the Devonthink command.
I'm not sure why our experiences differ, but it's very handy to have the
HUD selector.
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Matthew Cawood
I wonder if the coding you've done will now give Devonthink the hooks
to import whole mailboxes from MailMate, as it can with Apple Mail?
I'm pretty sure it doesn't, but you can select multiple messages in
MailMate before calling the command. But I guess, in this case you
need MailMate to create a single `.mbox` file? (Hmm, maybe I should
consider an `.mbox` input type for commands in MailMate. That could be
used for an export command as well.)
I'll leave that coding dilemma to you, but I'm grateful for what you've
done so far, and any further developments would be welcome!
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Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-01-20 21:38:36 UTC
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Post by Matthew Cawood
It's OK providing the attachements really *are* in Devonthink - I
don't want to delete emails I've archived to DT and find the
attachments are gone.
MailMate provides the entire email to Devonthink. I assume all of it is
then saved by Devonthink.
--
Benny
Pedro Lobo
2015-02-03 12:31:52 UTC
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This is great Benny,

Just a few notes/requests:

1. Would it be possible to reflect the emails date when importing.
Currently, importing emails will set the entries date to today, instead
of the emails date.
2. Would it be possible to get a bundle for Together too?

Cheers,
Pedro
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Matthew Cawood
My preference is to archive in DevonThink, which holds my email
archives from the mid 2000s. But it seems that MailMate and
Devonthink don't hook up,
I plan to add that too and I did start creating it. If I remember
correctly I delayed it, because DevonThink needs the original email
instead of the summary-oriented style used for the various GTD
bundles. (I'll check up on the state of this bundle.)
Within a few hours you should see a “DEVONThink Pro” bundle in the
Bundles preferences pane (MailMate checks for bundle updates every few
hours). If you enable that then you should have a command for adding
an email to DEVONThink. It uses the subject of the email for the file
name and it also adds a URL to the record in order to easily go back
to the email from DEVONThink (⌃⌘O). It does not allow configuring
where to store it in DEVONThink though -- didn't quite figure out how
that is done.
Note that this command can also be used in rules to automatically
archive an email and perhaps delete it from MailMate. This can even
happen automatically when an email reaches a certain age.
--
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Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-01-19 09:10:02 UTC
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I'd like to do this in a more automated fashion as well - I've
returned to DevonThink pretty heavily lately and would like my mail
there as well.
The issue is, and Benny will correct me if I'm wrong, that MailMate
doesn't do mbox; it's IMAP only. As such, you're really somewhat
stuck putting it into a local archive.
I believe you can drag emails from MailMate to DevonThink, but better
integration would of course be preferable.
--
Benny
Kai Großjohann
2015-01-19 21:00:01 UTC
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On that token, I've installed Dovecot, I'm running that on my MacBook,
and I copy mails there for archival purposes. However, I'm not clear
whether this means they are spotlight-searchable. (Probably not.)

Hm. Is there a Spotlight indexer for Dovecot-flavored Maildir?

Kai
Post by Matthew Cawood
Any advice on best practice for archiving emails from MailMate?
My preference is to archive in DevonThink, which holds my email
archives from the mid 2000s. But it seems that MailMate and Devonthink
don't hook up, so I'm looking for other robust options that are
Spotlight searchable. Any advice appreciated.
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Fredrik Jonsson
2015-01-20 08:55:05 UTC
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Post by Kai Großjohann
On that token, I've installed Dovecot, I'm running that on my MacBook,
and I copy mails there for archival purposes.
I have also opted for a local dovecot server to archive all my mail.
That way I always have access to all my mails in one place. Mailmates
search is quite good and very fast.

Running dovecot as a local only IMAP server on OS X
<https://xdeb.org/node/1607>

Fredrik
Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-01-20 09:06:39 UTC
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Post by Fredrik Jonsson
Post by Kai Großjohann
On that token, I've installed Dovecot, I'm running that on my
MacBook, and I copy mails there for archival purposes.
I have also opted for a local dovecot server to archive all my mail.
That way I always have access to all my mails in one place. Mailmates
search is quite good and very fast.
Running dovecot as a local only IMAP server on OS X
<https://xdeb.org/node/1607>
Thanks for the link! Dovecot is a great IMAP server and this setup works
very well. I'd like to add though that this setup also means that every
email is stored twice on the local machine. Just to make sure no-one
overlooks this :-) (I guess that is another reason why it would be nice
if MailMate could be configured to not cache all messages.)
--
Benny
Bill Cole
2015-01-26 17:30:20 UTC
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Post by Kai Großjohann
On that token, I've installed Dovecot, I'm running that on my MacBook,
and I copy mails there for archival purposes. However, I'm not clear
whether this means they are spotlight-searchable. (Probably not.)
Hm. Is there a Spotlight indexer for Dovecot-flavored Maildir?
Dovecot's flavor of Maildir
(http://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailboxFormat/Maildir) does not follow the
strictures necessary to fit the mis-designed Spotlight indexing
framework.

MailMate's local cache of messages (~/Library/Application
Support/MailMate/Messages) technically *IS* indexed by Spotlight in a
useless manner complicated by the fact that Apple lays claim to anything
with a ".eml" filename extension, defining the filetype badly and
providing no importer plugin.

Spotlight and the entangled QuickLook and Launch Services frameworks are
a mess of bad system design choices and shoddy implementation by Apple,
rooted in the adoption of filename extensions as the ultimate authority
in classifying files.
Harvey Leff
2015-01-20 04:58:01 UTC
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I purchased MailSteward, which AUTOMATICALLY updates a (now 10 GB) email
database archive, called mymaildb, every evening.

MailSteward has a pretty good search engine of its own, and I am happy
with this solution. I needed an archive so I could trim my imap
accounts' messages to not exceed a data quota on the server.

Harvey Leff
Portland, Oregon USA
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Barton Lipman
2015-01-20 13:03:02 UTC
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Same here. Except that I only update once a week.
Post by Harvey Leff
I purchased MailSteward, which AUTOMATICALLY updates a (now 10 GB)
email database archive, called mymaildb, every evening.
MailSteward has a pretty good search engine of its own, and I am happy
with this solution. I needed an archive so I could trim my imap
accounts' messages to not exceed a data quota on the server.
Harvey Leff
Portland, Oregon USA
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Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-01-20 21:52:20 UTC
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Post by Harvey Leff
I purchased MailSteward, which AUTOMATICALLY updates a (now 10 GB)
email database archive, called mymaildb, every evening.
MailSteward has a pretty good search engine of its own, and I am happy
with this solution. I needed an archive so I could trim my imap
accounts' messages to not exceed a data quota on the server.
How do you integrate MailSteward with MailMate?
--
Benny
Harvey Leff
2015-01-23 03:59:56 UTC
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Benny, wrote,
"How do you integrate MailSteward with MailMate?"
In MailSteward's Settings, I specify two email accounts (one gmail
account; one exchange account) to be backed up, along with the backup
frequency (nightly at 10 pm). Additionally, I could specify other
mailboxes in
/Users/myusername/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP.

Every night at 10 pm MailSteward opens, scans my email messages, and
adds the ones not already in MailSteward. It works well. My only
negative comment is that html messages sometime must be processed for
easy viewing. The database is
/Users/myusername/Dropbox/Private/MailSteward Backup Files/mymaildb
This works for me.

Harvey
Portland, Oregon USA
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 22:52:20 +0100
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To: "MailMate Users" <***@lists.freron.com>
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On 20 Jan 2015, at 5:58, Harvey Leff wrote:

I purchased MailSteward, which AUTOMATICALLY updates a (now 10 GB)
email database archive, called mymaildb, every evening.

MailSteward has a pretty good search engine of its own, and I am happy
with this solution. I needed an archive so I could trim my imap
accounts' messages to not exceed a data quota on the server.
Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-01-23 08:21:38 UTC
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Post by Harvey Leff
"How do you integrate MailSteward with MailMate?"
In MailSteward's Settings, I specify two email accounts (one gmail
account; one exchange account) to be backed up, along with the backup
frequency (nightly at 10 pm). Additionally, I could specify other
mailboxes in
/Users/myusername/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP.
And then you delete them manually in MailMate or is this only for backup
purposes?
Post by Harvey Leff
Every night at 10 pm MailSteward opens, scans my email messages, and
adds the ones not already in MailSteward.
It's a bit risky to rely on how MailMate handles things internally, but
I guess this is fairly harmless (for now) as long as MailSteward never
deletes or changes anything.

I think it would be much better if MailMate triggered MailSteward
itself, e.g., by making a copy of each archived message in a separate
folder (in which MailSteward would then be allowed to delete imported
messages). It would also be more efficient since MailSteward would then
not need to scan already imported messages.
--
Benny
Barton Lipman
2015-01-23 14:39:35 UTC
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I just back up once a week. For me, this is just a backup, though when
I first got Mail Steward, I used it to archive off some much older
email.

Bart
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Harvey Leff
"How do you integrate MailSteward with MailMate?"
In MailSteward's Settings, I specify two email accounts (one gmail
account; one exchange account) to be backed up, along with the backup
frequency (nightly at 10 pm). Additionally, I could specify other
mailboxes in
/Users/myusername/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP.
And then you delete them manually in MailMate or is this only for
backup purposes?
Post by Harvey Leff
Every night at 10 pm MailSteward opens, scans my email messages, and
adds the ones not already in MailSteward.
It's a bit risky to rely on how MailMate handles things internally,
but I guess this is fairly harmless (for now) as long as MailSteward
never deletes or changes anything.
I think it would be much better if MailMate triggered MailSteward
itself, e.g., by making a copy of each archived message in a separate
folder (in which MailSteward would then be allowed to delete imported
messages). It would also be more efficient since MailSteward would
then not need to scan already imported messages.
--
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Gustavo Daniel Villarreal
2015-01-23 15:56:34 UTC
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Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
I think it would be much better if MailMate triggered MailSteward
itself, e.g., by making a copy of each archived message in a separate
folder (in which MailSteward would then be allowed to delete imported
messages). It would also be more efficient since MailSteward would
then not need to scan already imported messages.
Benny, this is similar to how I use MailSteward and not involve it
directly with my mail accounts. I have a Smart Mailbox that recollects
mails based on date conditions (older than 3 months, not flagged/unread,
etc) and then has a Rule that exports to a folder and then moves it to a
Deleted folder. Then MailSteward daily recollects this messages from the
folder, not from the mail accounts. This has been working very well for
me.
Emory L.
2015-01-23 16:09:37 UTC
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Possibly off-topic alternative to MailSteward workflow below.
Post by Gustavo Daniel Villarreal
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
I think it would be much better if MailMate triggered MailSteward
itself, e.g., by making a copy of each archived message in a separate
folder (in which MailSteward would then be allowed to delete imported
messages). It would also be more efficient since MailSteward would
then not need to scan already imported messages.
Benny, this is similar to how I use MailSteward and not involve it
directly with my mail accounts. I have a Smart Mailbox that recollects
mails based on date conditions (older than 3 months, not flagged/unread,
etc) and then has a Rule that exports to a folder and then moves it to a
Deleted folder. Then MailSteward daily recollects this messages from the
folder, not from the mail accounts. This has been working very well for
me.
My practice currently is to archive/index email with DEVONthink, but the
process of getting things into DEVONthink isn't always elegant. I
haven't used MailSteward at all and I'm skittish of introducing Yet
Another Database into the mix of things. All of my research and projects
materials are in DEVONthink already so it seems like the place messages
should live too.

It also lets me correlate messages to other projects really easily and
can be searched with Spotlight, which is pretty awesome.


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⌘ http://incumbent.org/
Matthew Cawood
2015-01-23 21:41:12 UTC
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Not off-topic at all - I began this thread with Devonthink. What's your
workflow for getting MailMate messages into Devonthink?
Post by Emory L.
Possibly off-topic alternative to MailSteward workflow below.
Post by Gustavo Daniel Villarreal
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
I think it would be much better if MailMate triggered MailSteward
itself, e.g., by making a copy of each archived message in a
separate
folder (in which MailSteward would then be allowed to delete
imported
messages). It would also be more efficient since MailSteward would
then not need to scan already imported messages.
Benny, this is similar to how I use MailSteward and not involve it
directly with my mail accounts. I have a Smart Mailbox that
recollects
mails based on date conditions (older than 3 months, not
flagged/unread,
etc) and then has a Rule that exports to a folder and then moves it to a
Deleted folder. Then MailSteward daily recollects this messages from the
folder, not from the mail accounts. This has been working very well for
me.
My practice currently is to archive/index email with DEVONthink, but the
process of getting things into DEVONthink isn't always elegant. I
haven't used MailSteward at all and I'm skittish of introducing Yet
Another Database into the mix of things. All of my research and projects
materials are in DEVONthink already so it seems like the place
messages
should live too.
It also lets me correlate messages to other projects really easily and
can be searched with Spotlight, which is pretty awesome.

✪ http://kvet.ch/
✆ tel://1-646-54-EMORY
⌘ http://incumbent.org/
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Thomas Grundberg
2015-01-23 22:26:19 UTC
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Post by Matthew Cawood
Not off-topic at all - I began this thread with Devonthink. What's
your workflow for getting MailMate messages into Devonthink?
I'm all ears.
--
Thomas
Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-01-28 09:53:23 UTC
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Post by Emory L.
My practice currently is to archive/index email with DEVONthink, but the
process of getting things into DEVONthink isn't always elegant.
Just to be sure: You are aware of the new DEVONthink bundle available
for the 64 bit release of MailMate? If yes, what do you need to make it
more elegant?
--
Benny
Matthew Cawood
2015-01-28 10:31:52 UTC
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For my part, elegance would be the ability to import & archive MailMate
mailboxes into Devonthink using the Devonthink mail importer. I suspect
the framework is already there, and it just needs a bit of UI around it.
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Emory L.
My practice currently is to archive/index email with DEVONthink, but the
process of getting things into DEVONthink isn't always elegant.
Just to be sure: You are aware of the new DEVONthink bundle available
for the 64 bit release of MailMate? If yes, what do you need to make
it more elegant?
--
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Matthew Cawood
2015-02-03 09:22:10 UTC
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An update: Devontech just put out an email noting that it's possible to
drop *.mbox files onto the Devonthink dock icon to activate import.

I tried that with a MailMate *.mailbox file. It works! It's a bit clunky
compared to DevonThink's Apple Mail importer, and some things don't work
out. If I import from Apple Mail, the file name in Devonthink is the
meail's subject line. Drag and drop and import from MailMate, and the
file name is a number, which isn't very helpful. But Devonthink's
outstanding search function should ensure I find anything I'm looking
for.

Also, I have to drag and drop all MailMate message folders one-by-one
for a full backup. This isn't too much of a hardship, because everything
I want to keep goes into one Archive folder.

Someday, it would be nice to see more integration between MailMate and
Devonthink, two outstanding bits of artisan software out of northern
Europe. But for now, it's enough.
Post by Matthew Cawood
For my part, elegance would be the ability to import & archive
MailMate mailboxes into Devonthink using the Devonthink mail importer.
I suspect the framework is already there, and it just needs a bit of
UI around it.
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Emory L.
My practice currently is to archive/index email with DEVONthink, but the
process of getting things into DEVONthink isn't always elegant.
Just to be sure: You are aware of the new DEVONthink bundle available
for the 64 bit release of MailMate? If yes, what do you need to make
it more elegant?
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Benny Kjær Nielsen
2015-02-03 09:45:04 UTC
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Post by Matthew Cawood
An update: Devontech just put out an email noting that it's possible
to drop *.mbox files onto the Devonthink dock icon to activate import.
I tried that with a MailMate *.mailbox file. It works!
I think I should clarify a bit here. A `.mbox` file is not the same as a
`.mailbox` *folder*. I think DevonThink simply scans the folder and
finds the `.eml` files within it.

It is quite likely that it would work better if MailMate supported
exporting to `.mbox` file(s).

(Also note, that it's not always safe to access the files stored by
MailMate directly. It's a moving target if MailMate is active.)
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Matthew Cawood
2015-02-03 10:33:35 UTC
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OK, thanks for the clarification.
Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Post by Matthew Cawood
An update: Devontech just put out an email noting that it's possible
to drop *.mbox files onto the Devonthink dock icon to activate import.
I tried that with a MailMate *.mailbox file. It works!
I think I should clarify a bit here. A `.mbox` file is not the same as
a `.mailbox` *folder*. I think DevonThink simply scans the folder and
finds the `.eml` files within it.
It is quite likely that it would work better if MailMate supported
exporting to `.mbox` file(s).
(Also note, that it's not always safe to access the files stored by
MailMate directly. It's a moving target if MailMate is active.)
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Benny
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