[MlMt] Google login issues?

[Kee Hinckley]

I've had MailMate ask for my password in four of my Google Apps accounts
(three of them two-factor) a total of at least 8 times today. Has anyone
else had any issues?

[Kee Hinckley]

Here's a transcript for one of them. It took 4 trys to get it to stick.
Each time I entered the password, okayed authorization of MailMate, and
everything looked just fine--but a moment later it would pop up again.


00:48:17 Handling reply

00:48:17 Running action

00:48:17 Sending request (48)

00:48:17 Handling request

00:48:17 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)

00:48:17 Synchronizing mailbox (attempting to do it quickly): [Gmail]/Trash

00:48:17 Selecting mailbox: [Gmail]/Trash

00:48:17 C: D14 LIST "[Gmail]" ""

00:48:17 S: * LIST (\Noselect) "/" "/"

00:48:17 S: D14 OK Success

00:48:17 C: D15 SELECT "[Gmail]/Trash" (CONDSTORE)

00:48:17 S: * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen $NotPhishing
$Phishing)

00:48:17 S: * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen
$NotPhishing $Phishing \*)] Flags permitted.

00:48:17 S: * OK [UIDVALIDITY 7] UIDs valid.

00:48:17 S: * 0 EXISTS

00:48:17 S: * 0 RECENT

00:48:17 S: * OK [UIDNEXT 592] Predicted next UID.

00:48:17 S: * OK [HIGHESTMODSEQ 36858]

00:48:17 S: D15 OK [READ-WRITE] [Gmail]/Trash selected. (Success)

00:48:17 Attempting fast synchronization.

00:48:17 C: D16 UID FETCH 592:* (UID)

00:48:17 S: D16 OK Success

00:48:17 Completed action (1003). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8


00:48:17 Handling reply

00:50:17 Running action

00:50:17 Sending request (284)

00:50:17 Handling request

00:50:17 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)

00:50:17 Disconnecting

00:50:17 Trying to disconnect nicely (30)...

00:50:17 C: R17 LOGOUT

00:50:17 S: * BYE LOGOUT Requested

00:50:17 S: R17 OK 73 good day (Success)

00:50:17 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

00:50:17 Completed action (3). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8


00:50:17 Handling reply

01:07:47 Running action

01:07:47 Sending request (7)

01:07:47 Handling request

01:07:47 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)

01:07:47 Synchronizing mailbox (attempting to do it quickly): Misc

01:07:47 Selecting mailbox: Misc

01:07:47 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

01:07:47 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork)

01:07:47 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com).

01:07:47 Successful connection.

01:07:47 Initiating secure connection...

01:07:47 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12

01:07:47 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103
se9mb6146865pac

01:07:47 C: D0 CAPABILITY

01:07:47 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN
AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH

01:07:47 S: D0 OK Thats all she wrote! se9mb6146865pac

01:07:47 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)

01:07:47 C: D1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 ••••••••••

01:07:47 S: +
eyJzdGF0dXMiOiI0MDAiLCJzY2hlbWVzIjoiQmVhcmVyIiwic2NvcGUiOiJodHRwczovL21haWwuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8ifQ==

01:07:47 C:

01:07:47 S: D1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure)

01:07:47 Error: Server response: “D1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid
credentials (Failure)”. Command attempted: “D1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2
••••••••••”.

01:07:47 Error: OAUTH2 error is {"status":"400","schemes":"Bearer","scope":"
https://mail.google.com/"}

01:07:47 Error code: 11

01:07:47 Failed action (1003). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8


01:17:48 Handling reply

01:37:52 Running action

01:37:52 Sending request (566)

01:37:52 Handling request

01:37:52 Trying to disconnect nicely (30)...

01:37:52 C: R2 LOGOUT

01:37:52 S: * BYE Logout Requested se9mb6146865pac

01:37:52 S: R2 OK Quoth the raven, nevermore... se9mb6146865pac

01:37:52 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

01:37:52 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)

01:37:52 Disconnecting

01:37:52 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

01:37:52 Completed action (3). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8


01:37:52 Handling reply

02:09:38 Running action

02:09:38 Sending request (372)

02:09:38 Handling request

02:09:38 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

02:09:38 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)

02:09:38 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

02:09:38 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork)

02:09:38 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com).

02:09:38 Successful connection.

02:09:38 Initiating secure connection...

02:09:38 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12

02:09:38 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103
e5mb23194151oib

02:09:38 C: A0 CAPABILITY

02:09:38 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN
AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH

02:09:38 S: A0 OK Thats all she wrote! e5mb23194151oib

02:09:38 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)

02:09:38 C: A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 ••••••••••

02:09:39 S: +
eyJzdGF0dXMiOiI0MDAiLCJzY2hlbWVzIjoiQmVhcmVyIiwic2NvcGUiOiJodHRwczovL21haWwuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8ifQ==

02:09:39 C:

02:09:39 S: A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure)

02:09:39 Error: Server response: “A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid
credentials (Failure)”. Command attempted: “A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2
••••••••••”.

02:09:39 Error: OAUTH2 error is {"status":"400","schemes":"Bearer","scope":"
https://mail.google.com/"}

02:09:39 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)

02:09:39 Error code: 11

02:09:39 Failed action (1000). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8


02:09:39 Handling reply

02:10:00 Running action

02:10:00 Sending request (391)

02:10:00 Handling request

02:10:00 Trying to disconnect nicely (8)...

02:10:00 C: A2 LOGOUT

02:10:00 S: * BYE Logout Requested e5mb23194151oib

02:10:00 S: A2 OK Quoth the raven, nevermore... e5mb23194151oib

02:10:00 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

02:10:01 Ready to run action (retry count: 1)

02:10:01 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

02:10:01 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork)

02:10:01 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com).

02:10:01 Successful connection.

02:10:01 Initiating secure connection...

02:10:01 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12

02:10:01 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103
y81mb24471581oia

02:10:01 C: A0 CAPABILITY

02:10:01 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN
AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH

02:10:01 S: A0 OK Thats all she wrote! y81mb24471581oia

02:10:01 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)

02:10:01 C: A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 ••••••••••

02:10:01 S: +
eyJzdGF0dXMiOiI0MDAiLCJzY2hlbWVzIjoiQmVhcmVyIiwic2NvcGUiOiJodHRwczovL21haWwuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8ifQ==

02:10:01 C:

02:10:01 S: A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure)

02:10:01 Error: Server response: “A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid
credentials (Failure)”. Command attempted: “A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2
••••••••••”.

02:10:01 Error: OAUTH2 error is {"status":"400","schemes":"Bearer","scope":"
https://mail.google.com/"}

02:10:01 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)

02:10:01 Error code: 11

02:10:01 Failed action (1000). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8


02:10:01 Handling reply

02:10:10 Running action

02:10:10 Sending request (376)

02:10:10 Handling request

02:10:10 Trying to disconnect nicely (8)...

02:10:10 C: A2 LOGOUT

02:10:11 S: * BYE Logout Requested y81mb24471581oia

02:10:11 S: A2 OK Quoth the raven, nevermore... y81mb24471581oia

02:10:11 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

02:10:13 Ready to run action (retry count: 2)

02:10:13 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

02:10:13 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork)

02:10:13 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com).

02:10:13 Successful connection.

02:10:13 Initiating secure connection...

02:10:13 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12

02:10:13 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103
g1mb737837188obz

02:10:13 C: A0 CAPABILITY

02:10:13 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN
AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH

02:10:13 S: A0 OK Thats all she wrote! g1mb737837188obz

02:10:13 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)

02:10:13 C: A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 ••••••••••

02:10:13 S: +
eyJzdGF0dXMiOiI0MDAiLCJzY2hlbWVzIjoiQmVhcmVyIiwic2NvcGUiOiJodHRwczovL21haWwuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8ifQ==

02:10:13 C:

02:10:13 S: A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure)

02:10:13 Error: Server response: “A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid
credentials (Failure)”. Command attempted: “A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2
••••••••••”.

02:10:13 Error: OAUTH2 error is {"status":"400","schemes":"Bearer","scope":"
https://mail.google.com/"}

02:10:13 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)

02:10:13 Error code: 11

02:10:13 Failed action (1000). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8


02:10:13 Handling reply

02:10:20 Running action

02:10:20 Sending request (38)

02:10:20 Handling request

02:10:20 Trying to disconnect nicely (8)...

02:10:20 C: A2 LOGOUT

02:10:20 S: * BYE Logout Requested g1mb737837188obz

02:10:20 S: A2 OK Quoth the raven, nevermore... g1mb737837188obz

02:10:20 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

02:10:23 Ready to run action (retry count: 3)

02:10:23 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com

02:10:23 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork)

02:10:23 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com).

02:10:23 Successful connection.

02:10:23 Initiating secure connection...

02:10:23 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12

02:10:23 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103
x71mb24168491oix

02:10:23 C: A0 CAPABILITY

02:10:23 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN
AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH

02:10:23 S: A0 OK Thats all she wrote! x71mb24168491oix

02:10:23 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)

02:10:23 C: A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 ••••••••••

02:10:24 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 UIDPLUS COMPRESS=DEFLATE ENABLE MOVE CONDSTORE ESEARCH
UTF8=ACCEPT LIST-EXTENDED LIST-STATUS APPENDLIMIT=35651584 LITERAL-

02:10:24 S: A1 OK ***@fotouhi.com authenticated (Success)

02:10:24 C: A2 CAPABILITY

02:10:24 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 UIDPLUS COMPRESS=DEFLATE ENABLE MOVE CONDSTORE ESEARCH
UTF8=ACCEPT LIST-EXTENDED LIST-STATUS APPENDLIMIT=35651584 LITERAL-

02:10:24 S: A2 OK Success

02:10:24 C: A3 ID ("name" "MailMate" "version" "r6053" "vendor" "Freron
Software" "contact" "mm-imap-***@freron.com")

02:10:24 S: * ID ("name" "GImap" "vendor" "Google, Inc." "support-url" "
https://support.google.com/mail" "version" "gmail_imap_160823.09_p0"
"remote-host" "24.113.137.103")

02:10:24 S: A3 OK Success

02:10:24 Fetching mailboxes

02:10:24 C: A4 NAMESPACE

02:10:24 S: * NAMESPACE (("" "/")) NIL NIL

02:10:24 S: A4 OK Success

02:10:24 C: A5 LIST "" "*"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Follow up"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "INBOX"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Misc"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Priority"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasChildren \Noselect) "/" "[Gmail]"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\All \HasNoChildren) "/" "[Gmail]/All Mail"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\Drafts \HasNoChildren) "/" "[Gmail]/Drafts"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Important) "/" "[Gmail]/Important"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Sent) "/" "[Gmail]/Sent Mail"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Junk) "/" "[Gmail]/Spam"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\Flagged \HasNoChildren) "/" "[Gmail]/Starred"

02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Trash) "/" "[Gmail]/Trash"

02:10:24 S: A5 OK Success

02:10:24 Completed action (1000). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8

Post by Kee Hinckley
I've had MailMate ask for my password in four of my Google Apps accounts
(three of them two-factor) a total of at least 8 times today. Has anyone
else had any issues?

[Kee Hinckley]

At this point it's pretty much unusable. I have to go through 2-4 password
prompts for 4-6 accounts, and then an hour later, do it again.

Post by Kee Hinckley
Here's a transcript for one of them. It took 4 trys to get it to stick.
Each time I entered the password, okayed authorization of MailMate, and
everything looked just fine--but a moment later it would pop up again.
00:48:17 Handling reply
00:48:17 Running action
00:48:17 Sending request (48)
00:48:17 Handling request
00:48:17 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)
00:48:17 Synchronizing mailbox (attempting to do it quickly): [Gmail]/Trash
00:48:17 Selecting mailbox: [Gmail]/Trash
00:48:17 C: D14 LIST "[Gmail]" ""
00:48:17 S: * LIST (\Noselect) "/" "/"
00:48:17 S: D14 OK Success
00:48:17 C: D15 SELECT "[Gmail]/Trash" (CONDSTORE)
00:48:17 S: * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen $NotPhishing
$Phishing)
00:48:17 S: * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen
$NotPhishing $Phishing \*)] Flags permitted.
00:48:17 S: * OK [UIDVALIDITY 7] UIDs valid.
00:48:17 S: * 0 EXISTS
00:48:17 S: * 0 RECENT
00:48:17 S: * OK [UIDNEXT 592] Predicted next UID.
00:48:17 S: * OK [HIGHESTMODSEQ 36858]
00:48:17 S: D15 OK [READ-WRITE] [Gmail]/Trash selected. (Success)
00:48:17 Attempting fast synchronization.
00:48:17 C: D16 UID FETCH 592:* (UID)
00:48:17 S: D16 OK Success
00:48:17 Completed action (1003). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8
00:48:17 Handling reply
00:50:17 Running action
00:50:17 Sending request (284)
00:50:17 Handling request
00:50:17 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)
00:50:17 Disconnecting
00:50:17 Trying to disconnect nicely (30)...
00:50:17 C: R17 LOGOUT
00:50:17 S: * BYE LOGOUT Requested
00:50:17 S: R17 OK 73 good day (Success)
00:50:17 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
00:50:17 Completed action (3). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8
00:50:17 Handling reply
01:07:47 Running action
01:07:47 Sending request (7)
01:07:47 Handling request
01:07:47 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)
01:07:47 Synchronizing mailbox (attempting to do it quickly): Misc
01:07:47 Selecting mailbox: Misc
01:07:47 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
01:07:47 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork)
01:07:47 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com).
01:07:47 Successful connection.
01:07:47 Initiating secure connection...
01:07:47 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12
01:07:47 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103
se9mb6146865pac
01:07:47 C: D0 CAPABILITY
01:07:47 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN
AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH
01:07:47 S: D0 OK Thats all she wrote! se9mb6146865pac
01:07:47 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)
01:07:47 C: D1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 ••••••••••
01:07:47 S: + eyJzdGF0dXMiOiI0MDAiLCJzY2hlbWVzIjoiQmVhcmVyIiwic2NvcGUiOiJo
dHRwczovL21haWwuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8ifQ==
01:07:47 S: D1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure)
01:07:47 Error: Server response: “D1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid
credentials (Failure)”. Command attempted: “D1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2
••••••••••”.
01:07:47 Error: OAUTH2 error is {"status":"400","schemes":"
Bearer","scope":"https://mail.google.com/"}
01:07:47 Error code: 11
01:07:47 Failed action (1003). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8
01:17:48 Handling reply
01:37:52 Running action
01:37:52 Sending request (566)
01:37:52 Handling request
01:37:52 Trying to disconnect nicely (30)...
01:37:52 C: R2 LOGOUT
01:37:52 S: * BYE Logout Requested se9mb6146865pac
01:37:52 S: R2 OK Quoth the raven, nevermore... se9mb6146865pac
01:37:52 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
01:37:52 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)
01:37:52 Disconnecting
01:37:52 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
01:37:52 Completed action (3). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8
01:37:52 Handling reply
02:09:38 Running action
02:09:38 Sending request (372)
02:09:38 Handling request
02:09:38 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
02:09:38 Ready to run action (retry count: 0)
02:09:38 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
02:09:38 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork)
02:09:38 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com).
02:09:38 Successful connection.
02:09:38 Initiating secure connection...
02:09:38 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12
02:09:38 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103
e5mb23194151oib
02:09:38 C: A0 CAPABILITY
02:09:38 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN
AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH
02:09:38 S: A0 OK Thats all she wrote! e5mb23194151oib
02:09:38 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)
02:09:38 C: A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 ••••••••••
02:09:39 S: + eyJzdGF0dXMiOiI0MDAiLCJzY2hlbWVzIjoiQmVhcmVyIiwic2NvcGUiOiJo
dHRwczovL21haWwuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8ifQ==
02:09:39 S: A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure)
02:09:39 Error: Server response: “A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid
credentials (Failure)”. Command attempted: “A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2
••••••••••”.
02:09:39 Error: OAUTH2 error is {"status":"400","schemes":"
Bearer","scope":"https://mail.google.com/"}
02:09:39 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)
02:09:39 Error code: 11
02:09:39 Failed action (1000). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8
02:09:39 Handling reply
02:10:00 Running action
02:10:00 Sending request (391)
02:10:00 Handling request
02:10:00 Trying to disconnect nicely (8)...
02:10:00 C: A2 LOGOUT
02:10:00 S: * BYE Logout Requested e5mb23194151oib
02:10:00 S: A2 OK Quoth the raven, nevermore... e5mb23194151oib
02:10:00 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
02:10:01 Ready to run action (retry count: 1)
02:10:01 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
02:10:01 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork)
02:10:01 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com).
02:10:01 Successful connection.
02:10:01 Initiating secure connection...
02:10:01 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12
02:10:01 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103
y81mb24471581oia
02:10:01 C: A0 CAPABILITY
02:10:01 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN
AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH
02:10:01 S: A0 OK Thats all she wrote! y81mb24471581oia
02:10:01 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)
02:10:01 C: A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 ••••••••••
02:10:01 S: + eyJzdGF0dXMiOiI0MDAiLCJzY2hlbWVzIjoiQmVhcmVyIiwic2NvcGUiOiJo
dHRwczovL21haWwuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8ifQ==
02:10:01 S: A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure)
02:10:01 Error: Server response: “A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid
credentials (Failure)”. Command attempted: “A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2
••••••••••”.
02:10:01 Error: OAUTH2 error is {"status":"400","schemes":"
Bearer","scope":"https://mail.google.com/"}
02:10:01 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)
02:10:01 Error code: 11
02:10:01 Failed action (1000). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8
02:10:01 Handling reply
02:10:10 Running action
02:10:10 Sending request (376)
02:10:10 Handling request
02:10:10 Trying to disconnect nicely (8)...
02:10:10 C: A2 LOGOUT
02:10:11 S: * BYE Logout Requested y81mb24471581oia
02:10:11 S: A2 OK Quoth the raven, nevermore... y81mb24471581oia
02:10:11 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
02:10:13 Ready to run action (retry count: 2)
02:10:13 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
02:10:13 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork)
02:10:13 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com).
02:10:13 Successful connection.
02:10:13 Initiating secure connection...
02:10:13 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12
02:10:13 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103
g1mb737837188obz
02:10:13 C: A0 CAPABILITY
02:10:13 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN
AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH
02:10:13 S: A0 OK Thats all she wrote! g1mb737837188obz
02:10:13 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)
02:10:13 C: A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 ••••••••••
02:10:13 S: + eyJzdGF0dXMiOiI0MDAiLCJzY2hlbWVzIjoiQmVhcmVyIiwic2NvcGUiOiJo
dHRwczovL21haWwuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8ifQ==
02:10:13 S: A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure)
02:10:13 Error: Server response: “A1 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid
credentials (Failure)”. Command attempted: “A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2
••••••••••”.
02:10:13 Error: OAUTH2 error is {"status":"400","schemes":"
Bearer","scope":"https://mail.google.com/"}
02:10:13 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)
02:10:13 Error code: 11
02:10:13 Failed action (1000). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8
02:10:13 Handling reply
02:10:20 Running action
02:10:20 Sending request (38)
02:10:20 Handling request
02:10:20 Trying to disconnect nicely (8)...
02:10:20 C: A2 LOGOUT
02:10:20 S: * BYE Logout Requested g1mb737837188obz
02:10:20 S: A2 OK Quoth the raven, nevermore... g1mb737837188obz
02:10:20 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
02:10:23 Ready to run action (retry count: 3)
02:10:23 Clearing connection to imap.gmail.com
02:10:23 Trying to connect to imap.gmail.com on port 993 (CFNetwork)
02:10:23 Resolved hostname (imap.gmail.com).
02:10:23 Successful connection.
02:10:23 Initiating secure connection...
02:10:23 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12
02:10:23 S: * OK Gimap ready for requests from 24.113.137.103
x71mb24168491oix
02:10:23 C: A0 CAPABILITY
02:10:23 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 XYZZY SASL-IR AUTH=XOAUTH2 AUTH=PLAIN
AUTH=PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN AUTH=OAUTHBEARER AUTH=XOAUTH
02:10:23 S: A0 OK Thats all she wrote! x71mb24168491oix
02:10:23 Retrieving password (keychain or user request)
02:10:23 C: A1 AUTHENTICATE XOAUTH2 ••••••••••
02:10:24 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 UIDPLUS COMPRESS=DEFLATE ENABLE MOVE CONDSTORE ESEARCH
UTF8=ACCEPT LIST-EXTENDED LIST-STATUS APPENDLIMIT=35651584 LITERAL-
02:10:24 C: A2 CAPABILITY
02:10:24 S: * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA ID XLIST
CHILDREN X-GM-EXT-1 UIDPLUS COMPRESS=DEFLATE ENABLE MOVE CONDSTORE ESEARCH
UTF8=ACCEPT LIST-EXTENDED LIST-STATUS APPENDLIMIT=35651584 LITERAL-
02:10:24 S: A2 OK Success
02:10:24 C: A3 ID ("name" "MailMate" "version" "r6053" "vendor" "Freron
02:10:24 S: * ID ("name" "GImap" "vendor" "Google, Inc." "support-url" "
https://support.google.com/mail" "version" "gmail_imap_160823.09_p0"
"remote-host" "24.113.137.103")
02:10:24 S: A3 OK Success
02:10:24 Fetching mailboxes
02:10:24 C: A4 NAMESPACE
02:10:24 S: * NAMESPACE (("" "/")) NIL NIL
02:10:24 S: A4 OK Success
02:10:24 C: A5 LIST "" "*"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Follow up"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "INBOX"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Misc"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Priority"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasChildren \Noselect) "/" "[Gmail]"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\All \HasNoChildren) "/" "[Gmail]/All Mail"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\Drafts \HasNoChildren) "/" "[Gmail]/Drafts"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Important) "/" "[Gmail]/Important"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Sent) "/" "[Gmail]/Sent Mail"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Junk) "/" "[Gmail]/Spam"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\Flagged \HasNoChildren) "/" "[Gmail]/Starred"
02:10:24 S: * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Trash) "/" "[Gmail]/Trash"
02:10:24 S: A5 OK Success
02:10:24 Completed action (1000). Observed read/write timeouts: 8/8

Post by Kee Hinckley
I've had MailMate ask for my password in four of my Google Apps accounts
(three of them two-factor) a total of at least 8 times today. Has anyone
else had any issues?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Post by Kee Hinckley
At this point it's pretty much unusable. I have to go through 2-4
password prompts for 4-6 accounts, and then an hour later, do it
again.

The latter indicates that it happens every time MailMate has to get a
new access token. I'm not seeing this myself (2 accounts), but two
tweets during the night (my night) indicates that you are not alone.
This indicates that it's not an issue only on your machine.

The logs only tell me that authentication repeatedly fails with a
generic 400 error (I think the OAuth2 specification actually requires
Google to be more specific, but I might be wrong). Such an issue
currently triggers MailMate to re-authenticate the account since the
problem could be that the wrong Gmail account has been used to authorize
an IMAP account.

(The most recent test release of MailMate does fix an OAuth2 related
issue, but based on your logs then this is not related to your issue.)

If it's still an issue then you might be able to fix it temporarily
switching of OAuth2 in the IMAP account editor, but I don't recommend
this as a general solution (and it might not work for you since Google
does not allow it for all accounts).

You can also try to reset anything MailMate knows about OAuth2 tokens
for this account. Open the “Keychain Access” application and look
for entries named like this:

com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-*

If you delete all of them then MailMate should ask for passwords
(again), but it won't help if the problem is at Google's end.

[Kee Hinckley]

I haven't tried any of those solutions yet. I _did_ discover that the
best way to deal with it is to hit cancel and then go reenable the
account. Most of the time it then succeeds without the 400 error.
There's no actual need to renew the token. Sure feels like a Google bug.
Maybe some attempt at spam limiting?

Note these (year+ old) comments about issues with Google OAUTH2 with
multiple accounts. Not sure if they are relevant.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30212728/google-oauth2-and-400-bad-request-bug-on-google-side
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30511843/google-oauth2-returns-bad-request-when-logged-with-multiple-accounts

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Post by Kee Hinckley
At this point it's pretty much unusable. I have to go through 2-4
password prompts for 4-6 accounts, and then an hour later, do it
again.

The latter indicates that it happens every time MailMate has to get a
new access token. I'm not seeing this myself (2 accounts), but two
tweets during the night (my night) indicates that you are not alone.
This indicates that it's not an issue only on your machine.
The logs only tell me that authentication repeatedly fails with a
generic 400 error (I think the OAuth2 specification actually requires
Google to be more specific, but I might be wrong). Such an issue
currently triggers MailMate to re-authenticate the account since the
problem could be that the wrong Gmail account has been used to
authorize an IMAP account.
(The most recent test release of MailMate does fix an OAuth2 related
issue, but based on your logs then this is not related to your issue.)
If it's still an issue then you might be able to fix it temporarily
switching of OAuth2 in the IMAP account editor, but I don't recommend
this as a general solution (and it might not work for you since Google
does not allow it for all accounts).
You can also try to reset anything MailMate knows about OAuth2 tokens
for this account. Open the “Keychain Access” application and look
com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-*
If you delete all of them then MailMate should ask for passwords
(again), but it won't help if the problem is at Google's end.
--
Benny
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[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Post by Kee Hinckley
I haven't tried any of those solutions yet. I _did_ discover that the
best way to deal with it is to hit cancel and then go reenable the
account. Most of the time it then succeeds without the 400 error.
There's no actual need to renew the token. Sure feels like a Google
bug. Maybe some attempt at spam limiting?

This indicates that a possible workaround for MailMate is to wait longer
between retries before reporting it as an error (but it's an annoying
workaround, because it's non-deterministic).

It also indicates that MailMate is not to blame, but that doesn't really
solve the problem.

It might be a limit on how many logins can be done within a certain time
frame.

Post by Kee Hinckley
Note these (year+ old) comments about issues with Google OAUTH2 with
multiple accounts. Not sure if they are relevant.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30212728/google-oauth2-and-400-bad-request-bug-on-google-side
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30511843/google-oauth2-returns-bad-request-when-logged-with-multiple-accounts

I'm not sure either, but they do indicate that the problem is unlikely
to be that MailMate generates a bad request as reported by Google.

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Post by Kee Hinckley
I haven't tried any of those solutions yet. I _did_ discover that the
best way to deal with it is to hit cancel and then go reenable the
account. Most of the time it then succeeds without the 400 error.
There's no actual need to renew the token. Sure feels like a Google
bug. Maybe some attempt at spam limiting?

This indicates that a possible workaround for MailMate is to wait
longer between retries before reporting it as an error (but it's an
annoying workaround, because it's non-deterministic).

I've done this in this release:
http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5258.tbz

By default, MailMate now waits 0, 20, 40, and 60 seconds before each
retry. Every time MailMate gets a new so-called access token based on
its refresh token. If this fails then MailMate still asks to
re-authenticate the account in order to get a new refresh token.

I haven't had much feedback on it yet and I'll appreciate if anyone
having the Gmail issue could try it out and let me know whether or not
it helps. Off list if you like.

Based on reports, it does not seem like the number of Gmail accounts
matter much, but there might be an indication that it is more likely to
happen if multiple instances of MailMate accesses the same Gmail
account... But this is pure guesswork.

It also does not seem to matter if it's a free Gmail account or a
business account.

[Steve Mayer]

Benny,

Will you be making a Beta 2.0 as drop as well with the workaround?
I'm experiencing this about 4 times a day.
--
Steve Mayer

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Post by Kee Hinckley
I haven't tried any of those solutions yet. I _did_ discover that
the best way to deal with it is to hit cancel and then go reenable
the account. Most of the time it then succeeds without the 400
error. There's no actual need to renew the token. Sure feels like a
Google bug. Maybe some attempt at spam limiting?

This indicates that a possible workaround for MailMate is to wait
longer between retries before reporting it as an error (but it's an
annoying workaround, because it's non-deterministic).

http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5258.tbz
By default, MailMate now waits 0, 20, 40, and 60 seconds before each
retry. Every time MailMate gets a new so-called access token based on
its refresh token. If this fails then MailMate still asks to
re-authenticate the account in order to get a new refresh token.
I haven't had much feedback on it yet and I'll appreciate if anyone
having the Gmail issue could try it out and let me know whether or not
it helps. Off list if you like.
Based on reports, it does not seem like the number of Gmail accounts
matter much, but there might be an indication that it is more likely
to happen if multiple instances of MailMate accesses the same Gmail
account... But this is pure guesswork.
It also does not seem to matter if it's a free Gmail account or a
business account.
--
Benny
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[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Post by Steve Mayer
Will you be making a Beta 2.0 as drop as well with the workaround?
I'm experiencing this about 4 times a day.

I don't yet have any feedback on whether the workaround actually works,
but I've updated the 2.0 beta as well (hold down ⌥ when clicking
“Check Now”).

[Kee Hinckley]

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
It also indicates that MailMate is not to blame, but that doesn't
really solve the problem.

It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people who
are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with
Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the
attention of someone at Google.

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Post by Kee Hinckley

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
It also indicates that MailMate is not to blame, but that doesn't
really solve the problem.

It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people who
are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with
Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the
attention of someone at Google.

I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you.

[MacOSX Guru]

I have 8 gmail accounts and they were all misbehaving with login issues.
The latest update has solved the problem for me.

macosxguru

___________
MacOSX Guru
Email: ***@gmail.com
Twitter: @macosxguru
Web: http://ipadpedia.net

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Post by Kee Hinckley

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
It also indicates that MailMate is not to blame, but that doesn't
really solve the problem.

It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people
who are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one
with Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the
attention of someone at Google.

I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you.
--
Benny
_______________________________________________
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https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate

[Kee Hinckley]

No problems for me over the night.

I'm running Version 2.0BETA (6054)

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Post by Kee Hinckley

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
It also indicates that MailMate is not to blame, but that doesn't
really solve the problem.

It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people
who are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one
with Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the
attention of someone at Google.

I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you.
--
Benny
_______________________________________________
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[Richard Evans]

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Post by Kee Hinckley
It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people
who
are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with
Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the
attention of someone at Google.

I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you.
--
Benny

I’ve had the gmail login problem, too, but it seems that either your
patch worked or Google fixed it at their end. So far no more login
problem today.

Richard

[Steve Mayer]

I, unfortunately have had it occur twice since restarting with the new
build.
--
Steve Mayer

Post by Richard Evans

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Post by Kee Hinckley
It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people
who
are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with
Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the
attention of someone at Google.

I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you.
--
Benny

I’ve had the gmail login problem, too, but it seems that either your
patch worked or Google fixed it at their end. So far no more login
problem today.
Richard
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[Zivago Lee]

Same here.

Post by Steve Mayer
I, unfortunately have had it occur twice since restarting with the new
build.
--
Steve Mayer

Post by Richard Evans

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Post by Kee Hinckley
It's definitely not just MailMate, I've found several other people
who
are having problems, one with multiple logins in a browser, one with
Jabber. They all started at the same time. I'm trying to get the
attention of someone at Google.

I assume this also means that the workaround does not work for you.
--
Benny

I’ve had the gmail login problem, too, but it seems that either
your patch worked or Google fixed it at their end. So far no more
login problem today.
Richard

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Post by Zivago Lee

Post by Steve Mayer
I, unfortunately have had it occur twice since restarting with the
new build.

Same here.

You can both try the following to provide me with more data:

* Open the Activity Viewer (⌥⌘0).
* Wait for the issue to occur a couple of times.
* Use “Help ▾ Send Server Logs”.

You can also send me these files for me to try to find any common
pattern:

~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Sources.plist
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Submission.plist

Thanks in advance.

[Zivago Lee]

Sent!

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Post by Zivago Lee

Post by Steve Mayer
I, unfortunately have had it occur twice since restarting with the
new build.

Same here.

* Open the Activity Viewer (⌥⌘0).
* Wait for the issue to occur a couple of times.
* Use “Help ▾ Send Server Logs”.
You can also send me these files for me to try to find any common
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Sources.plist
~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Submission.plist
Thanks in advance.
--
Benny

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Sent!

I don't think I got the files?

A general update: I've gotten a report which indicates that I might not
be able to blame Google for all problems. At least it appears that
MailMate some times does not successfully save tokens in the keychain.
I'll investigate this tomorrow. My working day ends now ;)

[Zivago Lee]

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Sent!

I don't think I got the files?
A general update: I've gotten a report which indicates that I might
not be able to blame Google for all problems. At least it appears that
MailMate some times does not successfully save tokens in the keychain.
I'll investigate this tomorrow. My working day ends now ;)
--
Benny
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[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Is the email in your Sent Messages folder? (Maybe it's stuck in Drafts
due to the Gmail issue which likely also affects SMTP.)

In any case, see my most recent post on the list with regard to how to
best create more data for me.

[Zivago Lee]

Yes, it's in my Sent folder of my other regular IMAP account (that works
properly). Got a direct email? I can reforward them?

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
Is the email in your Sent Messages folder? (Maybe it's stuck in Drafts
due to the Gmail issue which likely also affects SMTP.)
In any case, see my most recent post on the list with regard to how to
best create more data for me.
--
Benny
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[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Post by Zivago Lee
Yes, it's in my Sent folder of my other regular IMAP account (that
works properly). Got a direct email? I can reforward them?

I would prefer a new set of logs as described in this email to the
mailing list:
https://www.mail-archive.com/***@lists.freron.com/msg06734.html

I know several users still have problems with Gmail (also with r5260),
but I cannot reproduce it myself and I haven't yet received a set of
logs (as described in the linked email).

[Zivago Lee]

As mentioned, I did do this yesterday.. yet you said you did not receive
them (it got sent to mm-feedback@). I'll just open a bug ticket with the
attachment it made.

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Post by Zivago Lee
Yes, it's in my Sent folder of my other regular IMAP account (that
works properly). Got a direct email? I can reforward them?

I would prefer a new set of logs as described in this email to the
I know several users still have problems with Gmail (also with r5260),
but I cannot reproduce it myself and I haven't yet received a set of
logs (as described in the linked email).
--
Benny
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[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Post by Zivago Lee
As mentioned, I did do this yesterday.. yet you said you did not
ticket with the attachment it made.

That's fine too, but you are also welcome to try the `mm-feedback`
address again. If it still doesn't work then at least it's a
reproducible issue.

[Kee Hinckley]

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
A general update: I've gotten a report which indicates that I might
not be able to blame Google for all problems. At least it appears that
MailMate some times does not successfully save tokens in the keychain.
I'll investigate this tomorrow. My working day ends now ;)

FWIW, I just reconnected all my accounts (they'd gradually hit the error
this morning) and they all connected just fine (none of them asked for a
password, the existing tokens were fine) and are happy for now. The last
time I tried that some of them got errors. I'm going to cross my fingers
and hope it's okay in the morning.

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Post by Kee Hinckley

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen
A general update: I've gotten a report which indicates that I might
not be able to blame Google for all problems. At least it appears
that MailMate some times does not successfully save tokens in the
keychain. I'll investigate this tomorrow. My working day ends now ;)

FWIW, I just reconnected all my accounts (they'd gradually hit the
error this morning) and they all connected just fine (none of them
asked for a password, the existing tokens were fine) and are happy for
now. The last time I tried that some of them got errors. I'm going to
cross my fingers and hope it's okay in the morning.

I'm glad it works for you (for now), but I don't like that I still don't
have any idea what's going on...

[Richard Rettke]

Post by Kee Hinckley
I've had MailMate ask for my password in four of my Google Apps
accounts (three of them two-factor) a total of at least 8 times today.
Has anyone else had any issues?

I've been watching this thread since it started and feeling fortunate
that I have not had any issues with 10 gmail accounts I have.

So I'm sitting in front of my Mac when all of a sudden at 0127 i
received emails and text messages from google on 5 of the accounts. The
messages read as follows;

_Hi Richard,_

_Someone just used your password to try to sign in to your Google
Account ***@gmail.com, using an application such as an email
client or mobile device._

_Details:_
_Friday, September 2, 2016 2:21 AM (Eastern Daylight Time)_
_New York, NY, USA*_
_Google stopped this sign-in attempt, but you should review your
recently used devices:_

I'm not sure if this is the same message everyone else has been getting
but now I'll deal with it.

__*Richard Rettke*__
*Laus Deo*
*Non sibi sed patriae*

https://about.me/rerettke

[Gary Hull]

I moved all of my accounts from Google to Runbox and (if hosted there)
Pair. For throwaway free accounts I made new ones at AOL and Yandex.
Life is so much simpler now.

Gmail gets hammered by all kinds of hacking schemes, so Google uses a
high-false-positive algorithm. Any kind of forwarding or mail agent
log-in situation is going to involve repeated web browser log-in
requests to verify you. None of you guys are ever going to solve this
problem. And it's not worth your time.

AOL will break maybe twice a year. Yandex, never. Runbox: You're paying
for it, you own it, it never breaks. Google is a nightmare. I still have
to have one Gmail account to tie into Analytics and Webmaster Tools, but
that's all.

Why deal with companies that treat you like a hacker and criminal and
have no personal support? What is your time worth?

Post by Richard Rettke

Post by Kee Hinckley
I've had MailMate ask for my password in four of my Google Apps
accounts (three of them two-factor) a total of at least 8 times
today. Has anyone else had any issues?

I've been watching this thread since it started and feeling fortunate
that I have not had any issues with 10 gmail accounts I have.
So I'm sitting in front of my Mac when all of a sudden at 0127 i
received emails and text messages from google on 5 of the accounts.
The messages read as follows;
_Hi Richard,_
_Someone just used your password to try to sign in to your Google
client or mobile device._
_Details:_
_Friday, September 2, 2016 2:21 AM (Eastern Daylight Time)_
_New York, NY, USA*_
_Google stopped this sign-in attempt, but you should review your
recently used devices:_
I'm not sure if this is the same message everyone else has been
getting but now I'll deal with it.
__*Richard Rettke*__
*Laus Deo*
*Non sibi sed patriae*
https://about.me/rerettke
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[Richard Rettke]

Post by Gary Hull
Why deal with companies that treat you like a hacker and criminal and
have no personal support? What is your time worth?

I'm not familiar with some of those email vendors you mentioned so I'll
have to check them out. The main reason I stay with gmail is that I have
never found anyone else that will allow me to have 30+ gmail accounts
many with a couple gigabytes of emails stored. I only have 10 tied into
Mailmate and most of the others are 'retired', but even at that I've not
found anyone offering 10 FREE email accounts, so it's less painful to
stay with google than it is to switch.

__*Richard Rettke*__
*Laus Deo*
*Non sibi sed patriae*

https://about.me/rerettke

[Paul Sture]

Post by Gary Hull
Why deal with companies that treat you like a hacker and criminal and
have no personal support? What is your time worth?

The main reason I stay with gmail is that I have never found anyone
else that will allow me to have 30+ gmail accounts many with a couple
gigabytes of emails stored. I only have 10 tied into Mailmate and most
of the others are 'retired', but even at that I've not found anyone
offering 10 FREE email accounts, so it's less painful to stay with
google than it is to switch.

It's a Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) problem. Your time or what turns
out to be not very much money per month.

When you can get a reliable website hosting service which comes with
unlimited email addresses for USD ~10 per month and 10 GB of space, I
prefer to spend the money. That's avoiding the cheap and nasty
providers.

[Richard Rettke]

Post by Gary Hull
I moved all of my accounts from Google to Runbox and (if hosted there)
Pair. For throwaway free accounts I made new ones at AOL and Yandex.
Life is so much simpler now.

Thanks for the info Gary, Runbox looks promising. If it meets my needs I
don't mind paying for it. I'm going to give the free trial a go.

__*Richard Rettke*__
*Laus Deo*
*Non sibi sed patriae*

https://about.me/rerettke

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Post by Richard Rettke

Post by Gary Hull
I moved all of my accounts from Google to Runbox and (if hosted
there) Pair. For throwaway free accounts I made new ones at AOL and
Yandex. Life is so much simpler now.

Thanks for the info Gary, Runbox looks promising. If it meets my needs
I don't mind paying for it. I'm going to give the free trial a go.

You can also find alternatives here:
http://blog.freron.com/2013/alternative-email-providers/

[Gary Hull]

Post by Richard Rettke

Post by Gary Hull
I moved all of my accounts from Google to Runbox and (if hosted
there) Pair. For throwaway free accounts I made new ones at AOL and
Yandex. Life is so much simpler now.

Thanks for the info Gary, Runbox looks promising. If it meets my needs
I don't mind paying for it. I'm going to give the free trial a go.

Glad to hear it. You can set up aliases for accounts on runbox, which
might help you.

The migration process is described somewhere on Benny's site, but as I
remember you need to do something related to the Gmail tags (if you're
using them), and make sure that all mail is in a particular Gmail
mailbox (I think you have to move everything from the Inbox into that
mailbox, if I remember correctly). Then you make an account in MailMate
and sync. You've probably already done this part. Then at Runbox you
make an account and make an account for that in MailMate. Finally in
MailMate you select all emails in the Gmail account and drag them to the
Runbox account. Then you wait, and depending on how many emails you have
at Google it could be a couple of days. When it's all done, Google has
help somewhere on how to liquidate and close you Gmail account.

As for alternative to Runbox, when I investigated, there was only
Fastmail (and Gmail) if you want to use your own domain, which is
recommended, since you own it and can move it later, _and_ you want a
bus factor > 1. All those other places are single-programmer projects,
and some of those guys are up there in years. Customers may be in for a
surprise if the proprietor kicks the bucket. MailMate itself has a bus
factor = 1, but hey, we love it. Runbox and Fastmail appear to have a
bus factor = 3 or so. Gmail has a bus factor = 100,000, which is also
its aggravation factor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

The reason I chose Runbox over Fastmail is that I liked the
documentation at Runbox better, and my single interaction with pre-sales
support at Runbox brought an instant reply, and no reply from Fastmail.
Probably a one-time glitch, but Runbox support since joining has been
very good. Another factor is that Fastmail seems to be flirting with
Gmail-style "improvements" to IMAP, if I understand their press
announcements correctly. When you have a supported standard, no matter
how much "better" an alternative version is, it's going to end up as
nothing but headaches.

[Richard Rettke]

Post by Gary Hull
Glad to hear it. You can set up aliases for accounts on runbox, which
might help you.
The migration process is described somewhere on Benny's site, but as I
remember you need to do something related to the Gmail tags (if you're
using them), and make sure that all mail is in a particular Gmail
mailbox (I think you have to move everything from the Inbox into that
mailbox, if I remember correctly). Then you make an account in
MailMate and sync. You've probably already done this part. Then at
Runbox you make an account and make an account for that in MailMate.
Finally in MailMate you select all emails in the Gmail account and
drag them to the Runbox account. Then you wait, and depending on how
many emails you have at Google it could be a couple of days. When it's
all done, Google has help somewhere on how to liquidate and close you
Gmail account.
As for alternative to Runbox, when I investigated, there was only
Fastmail (and Gmail) if you want to use your own domain, which is
recommended, since you own it and can move it later,   and   you
want a bus factor > 1. All those other places are single-programmer
projects, and some of those guys are up there in years. Customers may
be in for a surprise if the proprietor kicks the bucket. MailMate
itself has a bus factor = 1, but hey, we love it. Runbox and Fastmail
appear to have a bus factor = 3 or so. Gmail has a bus factor =
100,000, which is also its aggravation factor.

Thank for the info.

I'm still researching Runbox, one concern I haven't cleared yet is
Calendars. I have calendars associated with some of my gmail accounts
and I need to find out if Runbox sub accounts can each have their own
calendar. I presume they can but need to be certain. I have all my
various calendars feed into Busycal on the Mac & Fantastical on iOS, and
its a critical part of my workflow. I could leave the calendars where
they are but I really don't like the idea of having calendars and emails
on too many platforms and since the calendars are logically tied to the
email address I want to keep them together.

Thanks for the migration info, I do appreciate it.

Fastmail just will be too expensive at $50 a year per 'user' which I
interpret to be email address. Runbox is quite economical for all it
offers.

The aliases are a nice feature that I most likely won't use, nor will I
use my own domain name. Other than two specific gmail address's to two
specific companies, no one knows my real email address's. I have my
domains hosted at GoDaddy but not my email The Domains come with a
plethora of 'aliases'. So much my email has a sender that is actually an
alias with GoDaddy. I can change my actual email provider and then just
change where the GoDaddy aliases point and no one sees that I have
changed anything.

I also use a product called Sneakemail which essentially provides email
redirection like GoDaddy but with a unique email address. Like the one I
use exclusively for this forum). In fact every vendor I deal with,
personal or business gets a unique Sneakemail address from me. so they
are the only company or person with that address. If I start getting
spam on that address I know either their address book has been
compromised or sold. Either way I generate a new address for them,
update it with them, and then delete the address being spammed or
sometimes I just set it to bounce if I want to maintain an audit trail.
As of today I have 1402 unique email address's via Sneakemail, which
sound horrendous but Sneakemail provides what, IMHO is an excellent
minimalist interface and database to manage these address's. Even my
non-technical wife is able to use it with no issues.

So I almost never see any spam and when I do I am able to deal with it
in a couple minutes.


__*Richard Rettke*__
*Laus Deo*
*Non sibi sed patriae*

https://about.me/rerettke

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Customers may be in for a surprise if the proprietor kicks the bucket.
MailMate itself has a bus factor = 1, but hey, we love it. Runbox and
Fastmail appear to have a bus factor = 3 or so. Gmail has a bus factor
= 100,000, which is also its aggravation factor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

I didn't know this expression, but I'm also not sure I like to think
about the likelihood of being hit by a bus ;-)

[Paul Sture]

Post by Benny Kjær Nielsen

Customers may be in for a surprise if the proprietor kicks the
bucket. MailMate itself has a bus factor = 1, but hey, we love it.
Runbox and Fastmail appear to have a bus factor = 3 or so. Gmail has
a bus factor = 100,000, which is also its aggravation factor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

I didn't know this expression, but I'm also not sure I like to think
about the likelihood of being hit by a bus ;-)

The basic question "What happens if <key project member> gets hit by a
bus" was around in the UK at least as far back as the 1970s, but the
idea of a numeric factor is new to me.

[Richard Rettke]

After upgrading to the latest beta, and re-authenticating all of my
accounts, the prompts have gone away.

This may be a clue (or it may be nothing).

I just installed and activated a VPN, a little over an hour before these
google messages came rolling in. All of the messages listed the location
of the 'culprit' as New York (I am in the midwest) and I know the VPN
hides my actual location. So I'm just wondering if the perceived
location change is what triggered google to balk. I'll leave the
determination of that to those of you who understand this stuff better
than I do.

__*Richard Rettke*__
*Laus Deo*
*Non sibi sed patriae*

https://about.me/rerettke

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Post by Richard Rettke

After upgrading to the latest beta, and re-authenticating all of my
accounts, the prompts have gone away.

This may be a clue (or it may be nothing).
I just installed and activated a VPN, a little over an hour before
these google messages came rolling in. All of the messages listed the
location of the 'culprit' as New York (I am in the midwest) and I know
the VPN hides my actual location. So I'm just wondering if the
perceived location change is what triggered google to balk. I'll leave
the determination of that to those of you who understand this stuff
better than I do.

As previously stated I now assume it's a MailMate issue. Otherwise I
also think there would be issues reported for other email clients (which
I have not seen).

But I still haven't gotten any logs as requested in my earlier email.
Maybe it's somehow worse in the States :)